#Chemist and alchemist sandvox mod

(let's not enter a discussion on whether the rogue and alchemist are actually balanced in power against each other overall).įor the multiple rounds I agree - I think it would simplify down into just the single action like it does for the alchemist.įor what you are spending though would be another point - not just what the other rogue talents are.Īlso it would be completely unfair to compare many of the rogue talents as they simply flat out suck, and even then most other rogue talents we are not taking 2 extra feats to expound on.

For the rogue's bombs however, it's only a single basic trick that they pick up on top of all their other class abilities. As one of the three major class abilities of the alchemist (extract/bomb/mutagen) and their only directly offensive class ability, it makes sense the damage that can be quite high. Either as Durngrun mentions your bomb goes inert and you can't throw it, or the bomb's standard action to draw/create/throw it combines with vital strike's standard action attack and you're good to go.Ī point against your 'total damage stink test' (patent pending), is to consider the power of the bomb not compared to the alchemist's bomb, but to other rogue tricks. This isn't the case for one of two reasons depending how you look at things. So action economy makes this a bad choice still too. So action economy makes this a bad choice still too.Ībraham spalding wrote: Another consideration - getting a bomb ready is a standard action so for the rogue in question we are looking at 2 rounds before he could do the improved vital strike bomb as he doesn't have enough standard actions in a single round. There are a few ways they could raise their sneak attack damage, but the most I'm seeing is 13d6 sneak attack at best (so increase the maximum by 15d6 if they critical on a vital strike with a bomb that also gets sneak attack damage).Īnother consideration - getting a bomb ready is a standard action so for the rogue in question we are looking at 2 rounds before he could do the improved vital strike bomb as he doesn't have enough standard actions in a single round. So it passes the stink test for me on total damage. There are plenty of ways to throw out more damage than that on a regular basis at level 20.

#Chemist and alchemist sandvox mod

at level 20 for a standard action we aren't exactly rocking anyone's world with that, at best he's looking at 240 damage.Ĭriticals would be a bigger consideration I guess but even then if they critical on the improved vital strike we are still only looking at 50d6+2xint mod or an average of 165 and maximum of 300 - it's certainly no where near what a nova burst of fast bombs from an alchemist can put out or any of the martials. On the other they can't get fast bombs (while the bomber discovery talent is nice, it's once only and you don't have an alchemist level so you can't get the nicer bombs), and they have much fewer bombs.Įven if they get improved we are looking at a maximum of 30d6+Int mod or 40d6+int mod damage so an average of 140+int mod damage. Well the considerations is part of why I'm asking.